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Journal Entry: Tue Apr 17, 2012, 7:46 AM


Is this something you find unfair? Some of the devs I watch seems to think so.

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Personally, it is one of the goals I have set for myself, but I am not really bothered about it.

Based on experience, if you want more watchers/faves/comments, keep drawing, keep improving, give feedback to others, do some fan-art etc, Well, I'm sure you already know these stuff! =P


Share your thoughts.



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Francis

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:icontasteslikeanya:
TastesLikeAnya Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I think overall it's really hard to find a system that is really all that fair. I appreciate DA is trying, but it sure is a shame people have done the dishonourable thing and put things in the wrong categories.

That being said, I think people rely on front page/daily deviations/advertising to be popular too much. There's a secret to being popular, and it's simply draw well - and people will come.
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francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*nods with vigor* on the draw well and people will come.:D
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:iconrocueto:
RoCueto Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
As much as I agree that improoving quality should be what we're here for a lot of us not only not get noticed and barely ever get comments, but everytime dA comes out with a tool to help us get out there (Thumbshare, DD's, Groups, now this) it quickly gets abused by the already popular of mediocre quality (looking at badly photographed boobs, ponies and anime tracings) keeping the intermediate artist forever in the unknown.

When no matter how hard and well you work, you don't get a single comment or critique unless you spend hours of dedicated networking to get them, you realize there's something wrong with the system.
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:icontasteslikeanya:
TastesLikeAnya Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Professional Filmographer
That's what I'm saying. The system doesn't work. The only thing you can do is just draw more.
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:iconrocueto:
RoCueto Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
True.
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:iconlunadarasu:
LunaDarasu Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I saw that too....


But great advice
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:iconelementalshifter:
ElementalShifter Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I saw that. I could really care less, whether my stuff gets noticed and adored by all isn't important to me. Just so long as somebody's looking =P
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:iconsandyrinky:
sandyrinky Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I saw this earlier this morning and I didn't really get it. One of their complaints was that people who work hours on a piece won't get that front page slot because of the new rules, so someone who spent like five minutes on something gets their stuff put up on the front instead. I don't buy that at all. Time is completely irrelevant to the nature of a quality piece of work. Someone with beginners art skills might spend HOURS working on what a brilliant artist could do in five minutes. Does that mean the beginner spending hours is automatically better than the pro? Not automatically, no. And besides, the aesthetic quality of art is completely subjective.

For example, I have a lot of trouble considering photography a serious form of art unless extensive artistic ends have been taken IN the photograph (like cosplaying and taking photoshoots with those outfits or something). Otherwise, I think photography is just taking pictures of someone else's work. Like if I went up to your art and took a picture at a skewed angle or something and changed the color to sepia, would you consider that MY art? ... Hell, I wouldn't. So, when someone takes a picture of a flower it's like "Oh, that's nice I guess" but they didn't DO anything. They didn't make the flower, they just fiddled with the color settings in photoshop or something. I don't know, I realize people would argue the hell out of me on that and I really truly do try to see photography as a true art form, but it's difficult for me. Wow I got off track! Anyway.

I will say that I'm annoyed as hell at all the really shitty shots of boobs or vaginas that wind up on the front page. THOSE get a billion favs, but you can tell for a lot of them that no artistic quality or effort was put into them. It was "Hey, show me your boobs so I can take a picture" I hate that shit. That'll fire me up when I see it, but I try to ignore it because honestly I don't even spend two seconds on the front page.

I did love how the people who put those complaints up seemed to be super popular artists. And of course, in tow comes their league of loyal followers. I've unwatched artists who get full of themselves because it ruins their artwork for me. There was another really popular artist on DA I was watching because I loved their work, but they made many comments about the front page as if it was their right to be on there, not those shitty artists of lesser quality than they. I can't stand people like that. It's one thing to take pride in you work and really know that you're just an outstanding artist, but it's another to suddenly think you're this figure of authority and have certain rights that other people don't. Bullshit.

There's my two cents c:
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
what I dont get is what made this already very popular dev to complain?
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:iconsandyrinky:
sandyrinky Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good question :/ Maybe they just felt offended that their work might not be put up? Maybe it's like I was saying about some artists developing a feeling of "this is my right" to be on the front page?
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:iconangelicmoonsushi:
AngelicMoonSushi Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
mmm actually the da staff really can't complain if the dick move they apparently did is true :/

Read his lastest journal (as of this post) and he explains why : [link]

Also, what is even the point in getting watchers anymore, unless your arts really good (like yours) your lucky to get 10 watchers a month, and even then only 1 who will comment with feedback to help you improve. A lot of artists i've met on here seem like they feel they have to whore themselfs off in whichever way they can xD based on what i've seen at least.
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with dA staff's move. I still cant see why he is complaining when he is already popular and all his devs end up in the front page anyway. And those who participated are popular themselves.

I can relate with the whoring thing, I mean 3 years ago, I would go to the thumb share forum and do the fave for a fave thing, etc. :XD:
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:iconangelicmoonsushi:
AngelicMoonSushi Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly tho, its because he's already popular and doing that it means so much more, its not like he is doing it just for himself.

lol or getting favs and watch for 10 point donations lmao xDDDD

Also no matter what way you look at it DA staffs move was a abuse of power to save face.
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Screeches Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I always thought it was based on how many views/favs/comments a pic receives in a certain amount of time, because then that really would be popular and a front pager orz
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
forgot to add, some people are abusing(?) the category thing to have their dev show up in the front page.
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it is, but now they added a per category, I think
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:iconscreeches:
Screeches Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that's just stupid.
The digital art category would implode. :u
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:iconsacred-shadows:
Sacred-Shadows Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If I am suuuuuper bored I go look at the front page and I usually just look through the 'newest' as well xD Some of the arguments people have made for why they don't like the new system makes sense to me buuut yeah. I don't care either, lol! I just like putting up art and browsing around to see what other people post.

Almost ALL of the "popular" artists I've found I've just found through browsing through other peoples favorites pages or when they feature other artists or through a few groups I'm a part of ^^ I think it's fun just doing it that way. I dunno, yeah. It doesn't bother me either and it makes me kinda giggle when people get so riled up over silly stuff like that xD
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree! It's as a poster below said, it's like highschool, everyone wants to be popular :XD:
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Sacred-Shadows Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:giggle: Yes.. which is exactly the opposite of what I am looking for when I get on here xD
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:iconenaxn:
Enaxn Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I actually agree with you! I hope someday to make the frontpage just as it is with my own someday-awesome art. Nothing's fair and not every amazing artist is known about here. I feel like that's just life <__<.

It's also ironic to me that the person that started this is already a pretty big deal to begin with. It wouldn't surprise me if that deviation made it to the front page the normal popular way more than anything else xD
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yep and those who did the same are popular themselves!
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:icontornfeathers:
TornFeathers Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Popular stuff is on the front page? I always just see the most recent uploads on the front an if I scroll all the way to the bottom a tiny few daily deviations.

O.o
I don't see why people are so obsessed with it. Unless I were to get a daily deviation and recognized for my actual effort I don't care. I'm not here to be popular, I'm here to share my work and hope people like see ing it.
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francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yup, on the front page, you have the option for newest / popular. Some people seem to take it seriously I guess.

Well, if you are on the frontpage you get more exposure,-watches, faves comments etc, I think.
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:icontornfeathers:
TornFeathers Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Almost everyone wants to be popular, it's like high school on the internet.
I'll do the same thing i always do. Draw and take photos of what I like and post them.
Sometimes I get a bunch of faves and sometimes I get none. It's never been a big deal to me.
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:icontornfeathers:
TornFeathers Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i'd also like to point out seeing the stupid unartistic yellow block made by people complaining on recent uploads over and over again is just annoying as well.
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Suspiria-Ru Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally I don't care about the front page, I don't even take a look at it.
It doesn't matter to me if something's popular or not, as for me I just keep doing my own thing and try to get better.
That's what everyone should do instead of trying so hard to get on the front page on just concentrating on this single thing.
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:iconfrancis-john:
francis-john Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
and the one that has started it is already what I consider 'popular' since his devs almost always ends up in the front page. Not really sure why he is complaining though.
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